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They can use semi-automatic hunting rifles then. I think the public is sick of the NRA preaching the rights of the constitution while 14 shootings occur in chicago on Christmas Eve and day.
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Uhh. What's the difference? The ban does NOTHING.

Why do you blame the NRA and guns instead of the fucking idiot gangbangers doing the shooting?
 
The 14 shootings in Chicago were all committed with illegally obtained firearms.....the same illegally obtained firearms that criminals will have after a ban. please tell me you don't actually believe that criminals are going to suddenly start obeying gun laws?

Chicago is one of the strictest cities on guns but has by far the highest gun related homicide rate in the country. Explain to me why gun control has failed in the city of Chicago?

An 11 year old child was one of the victims in Chicago but I hear no outrage when a black child is killed by another black with an illegally obtained gun. Guess black child killed by black man with an illegal gun does not fit any NAACP or gun control agendas so therefore goes unreported.
 
If there is no market for a certain type of weapon due to being illegal to own in a few years there will be no market for the same weapon in the illegal market because there will be no source to obtain the legal weapon by theft and then sell it illegally.
 
Saulty
If there is no market for a certain type of weapon due to being illegal to own in a few years there will be no market for the same weapon in the illegal market because there will be no source to obtain the legal weapon by theft and then sell it illegally.
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Right.........just make guns illegal like cocaine and heroin.

Make guns harder to obtain and the criminals will only want them more.

I really need to start carrying around a bag of magic beans to sell to all of these idiots who think they can change the world.
 
Saulty
I own guns sharpcat. I'm just saying the laws of supply and demand will dictate whether a certain weapon being deemed illegal to own will still exist in any market. You don't see any criminals using tommy guns anymore do you?
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Nonsense. As long as there is a demand there will always be a supply because as long as someone wants something there will always be those seeking to profit from supplying it. It is beyond absurd to think that by banning guns that people with connections to obtain guns will not exploit their opportunity to profit from supplying the demand.

Making guns illegal does absolutely nothing but take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, the criminals will continue to break the law and obtain guns.
 
sharpcat
Right.........just make guns illegal like cocaine and heroin.

Make guns harder to obtain and the criminals will only want them more.

I really need to start carrying around a bag of magic beans to sell to all of these idiots who think they can change the world.
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Change the world? So what countries in the world are wanting to adopt Americas gun culture? Canada, Norway,Australia, Japan, where? I havent seen other countries debating the merits of flooding their nations streets with firearms vs intrusive government or debating the merits of easy accessibility to firearms that US citizens possess. Maybe some of the foreign posters on here could chime in on their countries gun control laws, I havent much debate on gun control from foreign countries on the news so it would be interesting to hear peoples opinions on their own nations gun laws and their success or failure
 
gregm
Maybe some of the foreign posters on here could chime in on their countries gun control laws I havent it on the news but who knows.
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While I don't consider my self foreign (I am a Canadian born citizen living in Canada) I will say I believe there is more to solving the problem of guns than the controls suggested.

I think the problem may have more to do with the culture and beliefs/paranoia that is so prevalent in US society.

I've noticed that the countries compared to the US all have higher tax rates and much more generous social programs and that the citizens of those countries are far less opposed to the taxes.

Seems as though Americans put more value on their "personal freedoms" than what is best for the country as a whole.
 
gregm
Change the world? So what countries in the world are wanting to adopt Americas gun culture? Canada, Norway,Australia, Japan, where? I havent seen other countries debating the merits of flooding their nations streets with firearms vs intrusive government or debating the merits of easy accessibility to firearms that US citizens possess. Maybe some of the foreign posters on here could chime in on their countries gun control laws, I havent much debate on gun control from foreign countries the news so it would be interesting to hear peoples opinions on their own nations gun laws and their success or failure
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You forgot Mexico.

UK
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted. Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.
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Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...a-havent-made-people-safer-fact#ixzz2GIfnVw58


Australia

.. In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults.
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Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-bl...a-havent-made-people-safer-fact#ixzz2GIgZFFpe
 
Toronto vs Chicago

DIVERSITY
According to census data, Toronto and Chicago have very different diversity. Toronto has slightly fewer visible minorities than Chicago (47.4 per cent vs. 55 per cent). T.O. has significantly higher Asian populations (33 per cent vs. 5.5 per cent) and a much smaller Black population (8.4 per cent vs. 32.9 per cent). Both cities report Aboriginal populations of 0.5 per cent.

In terms of population, Chicago and Toronto are the fourth and fifth most populous cities in North America respectively (behind Mexico City, New York and Los Angeles). According to 2011 estimates, there are 2.7 million people in the Windy City versus 2.6 million in Hogtown.

CRIME
Which city is safer? It's not even close. There were 441 homicides in Chicago in 2011, compared to only 45 in Toronto. The murder rate in Toronto last year was 1.6 per 100,000 people; in Chicago it was 15.7 per 100,000.
 
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