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This will be a great case of traditional stats vs the Sabermetric stats.
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Yap.

Of course Trout does have some traditional stats going for him too. He's got runs, stolen bases (while seldom getting caught stealing), possible gold glove. He's pretty much neck-and-neck for batting average. You can't really expect him to challenge for RBI from the leadoff spot.

But yeah, Trout's WAR is off the charts. Many sabermetricians have him as a lock for MVP because of that. He's like 10 while the second best is something like 6. Cabrera is ~6 I think. Trout is stomping all over Cabrera's WAR goddammit!

I kinda hope either neither team makes the playoffs or else both. I wouldn't want playoff qualification to be the deciding factor. It will be interesting to take the current temperature of voters for this stuff.

It's hard for me to imagine there being enough non-traditional thinkers to give it to Trout.
 
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Yap.

Of course Trout does have some traditional stats going for him too. He's got runs, stolen bases (while seldom getting caught stealing), possible gold glove. He's pretty much neck-and-neck for batting average. You can't really expect him to challenge for RBI from the leadoff spot.

But yeah, Trout's WAR is off the charts. Many sabermetricians have him as a lock for MVP because of that. He's like 10 while the second best is something like 6. Cabrera is ~6 I think. Trout is stomping all over Cabrera's WAR goddammit!

I kinda hope either neither team makes the playoffs or else both. I wouldn't want playoff qualification to be the deciding factor. It will be interesting to take the current temperature of voters for this stuff.

It's hard for me to imagine there being enough non-traditional thinkers to give it to Trout.
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10 years from now as more traditional voters retire, yes. Scary that Trout started the season in the minors also.
 
What about Josh Hamilton? The guys HR's and RBI are right in the neighborhood with Cabrera - but Hamilton basically carried his team on his shoulders into a playoff position in the early season which they still hold.

I know his batting average is lower - but PLAYOFFS! I know some voters strongly consider playoff qualification in this stuff.

Or are voters just too short-sighted and can only think about what they have seen in the last 5 minutes and can't consider the whole picture?



Hmm? Hamilton? What about that nigga?
 
Maybe they should get creative with the choice and I have an idea.

Peyton Manning.


The Colts were so consistently great with him for so long - then he misses a year and look what happens. Last place. Horrible.

It is the definition of "Valuable"



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Look, my son just bought authentic Trout jersey, way early but guy might end up as the greatest major leaguer every out of South Jersey! That being said this should be a no brainer even if Carbrera doesn't win the Triple Crown the guy's numbers (F sabershit) is way greater than Trout's!

In 1988 I remember Curt Gibson won MVP with Dodgers with low numbers like 25 HRs and 75 RBIs but LA won the division and just looked back at stats and nobody had numbers anywhere like Cabrera's! If say this was back then or in the 70's without the media hype then Trout or anyone else wouldn't even be mentioned as a MVP candidate!

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Muddy, Josh has good numbers but would get only my 2nd place vote!
 
My vote goes to Trout on principle.

Bear in mind that I have no interest in either guy and could probably not pick them out of a lineup. As far as what they are doing baseball-wise, I only have vague impressions based on half-listened-to radio bafflegab. I could not give a convincing explanation of what WAR is.

But I just hate tradition and traditional thinking. I hate the concept. I want things looked at in new ways. In these times dominated by the most airheaded imaginable political rhetoric, it would do my heart good to see some evidence that humans can be open-minded and learn something and change.



Now it so happens that one may have an open mind and consider the sabermetric stuff and still conclude that Cabrera is the deserving winner. Well I don't care. I still vote for Trout.

Fuck it. Stupid baseball award.
 
Who exactly is beating Cabby in any of the 3 major offensive categoreies? That's right, NOBODY. When somebody has a season like this and the team may still make post-season (which in my mind is irrelevent), I can't possibly see the arguement for anybody else; Hamilton and Trout have had great years, and some of the guys that chimed in here I have huge sports respect for, but honestly, unless Cabrerrera tanks the next 2 weeks, I would be absolutely shocked if he didn't win MVP, even if he fell short of the Triple Crown.

Suppose he does win the triple cown - would that change anybody's opinion here even if the Tigers didn't make the post-season? And yes, I know this has happenened before......
 
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