Tron
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Lots of very predictable ridiculousness in this thread.


What having children is, is human nature. It's the nature of most living beings. It is what our bodies where biologically/scientifically built for.
What is selfish, is bring a child into the world, and then choosing something over them, be it men, drugs, alcohol, yourself, your career...whatever. Selfish is having someone else raise or support your child. Selfish is lack of sacrifice for the child you chose to create ad bring into this world. Selfish is not providing that child a good life, or a good example. We are not simply raising children, we are raising human beings, we are raising people, we are raising veterinarians, doctors, lawyers, store clerks, police, pilots, whatever they end up being....we are raising a new being, to be part of a new generation and a new society, same as you and me, that one day will be an adult and in charge of the world we live in. Selfish, is not respecting that or preparing them for it. creating, having, and raising a PERSON, is not a subject of debate, what it is, is a serious decision and a serious, and life long responsibility.
Most people will have some good times. Is it worth it?It's natural, thats what we have. Wouldn't call it selfish.
There is an abundance of riff raff I've noticed lately. But thats just from my perspective