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I would rather have sex with a fat, smelly woman than look at Tim Tebow's stupid face

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Badnina
I don't think it is environment, conditions surrounding one's self. I stated that even with people who share some common ground (as we do here) can read the exact same thing and have a different understanding of it.
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You're a Republican, Christian, Nascar-loving girl from the southern United States. If you think you'd be a Republican, Christian, Nascar-loving girl if you were born and raised in Tehran, well you're just not being honest with yourself.
 
Nina, ignoring this thread might have been a good idea.

For everyone else, referencing other people's beliefs as "fairy tales" is not really a good idea unless you have the right answers yourself. There may be ample evidence to support evolution on earth and there is also, I believe, sufficient information available to conclude that our universe came about through a "big bang". The likelihood however that gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces being exactly as they are by chance (the only way a universe remotely like this could be formed) are so slim that they are as good as negligible.

You can invent theories to explain this but they would also have to be considered as "fairy tales".

Is organised religion a bad thing?
Even if you do not believe in the central message, I think all of us have some sort of moral compass what tells us what is right and wrong, in my experience those who do attend church tend to have those right/wrong barriers in more of less the same places as I do and because of this I have no problems with organised religion or with someone like Tebow advertising his beliefs.
 
Badnina
Go ahead. Take your best shot at me too. It isn't going to change anything that I believe or think or feel. So far, all that has been accomplished is that I am reminded why I prefered Patty Bateman to this Patty, I am more yellow than Mrs. X, and MonkeyFocker thinks I'm an idiot which I think he already thought. It just makes me sad.
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Nina!

I thought we got through this? I wake up and you're attacking my beliefs?

I am more yellow. My bone boobs are telling me so.
 
Badnina
Says who? What makes your beliefs more important than mine?
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I'm not fighting. Okay? I think the word important is incorrect. Even though yellowfist didn't say it with LOVE ("He's trying to show you that what you have been taught your whole life to worship is bullshit") he means that from a scientific and worldly perspective your methods aren't sound. I know that that's alright with most of the Christians I know, but makes communicating to get to the point of a deeper understanding impossible.

It's really frustrating to try to debate something with someone who has such a flimsy (still not fighting here) out. In no other circumstance could you get away with "I deeply believe it and that's why". Make up some scenarios in your head and put it there. It just doesn't work, but religion always gets a pass.

It's just not fair to people that look at every angle possible and try to decide things rationally. As you see, it makes us a little crazy.

But, besides all that, we've been over it. I do have a question that I kind of asked before and got lost in THE STORM.

I think Tim Tebow is douchey for putting bible verses on his face. Yes, most likely part of that is my "bent" but besides all that, I just think it's a douchey move. If he believes so strongly and deeply to me it seems trite and immature to write on his face to "get the word out". I feel the same way about sports players that "give it up for god" after they make a good play.

To me, it just makes god look small and cheap.

Although religion is a pretty flammable subject for me, I'm pretty sure I would feel the same way about any "insert any deeply held belief" written on a football players face. In my mind, it just doesn't do the cause any favors.


Just to be clear, I'm just asking your opinions about bible versus and face writing. I'm not trying to get you to admit something or not to use it against you or will I "attack" your response.

Mr. X thinks it's funny that Tebow's eye verses inflame me so. Is this even legal in the NFL?

*I'm actually so over this topic I'm a little sick. Why, Mrs. X, why? I've got a problem.
 
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As a Christian, Tebow feels an obligation to witness and to give it up to God when he performs well. Why does this bother people so much? Regardless of one's belief system, I will never understand why some non believers are so aggravated by those who do have faith. I don't get it. Some are more intent in trying to convince believers they are wrong/stupid etc than Christians trying to convert non believers. I understand why Christians witness. I do not get why some non believers feel it is their duty to prove Christians wrong and why they get so worked up about it.

I understand why Mrs X may feel that the NFL playing field is not an appropriate place for politics of any kind,I understand why Christians witness.... but I have run across so many non believing posters on these boards who really want to convert Christians to atheism/agnosticism. That I don't get.

In the interest of full disclosure , I am college educated, consider myself fairly intelligent, and I believe in "fairy tales."
 
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As a Christian, Tebow feels an obligation to witness and to give it up to God when he performs well. Why does this bother people so much? Regardless of one's belief system, I will never understand why some non believers are so aggravated by those who do have faith. I don't get it. Some are more intent in trying to convince believers they are wrong/stupid etc than Christians trying to convert non believers. I understand why Christians witness. I do not get why some non believers feel it is their duty to prove Christians wrong and why they get so worked up about it.

I understand why Mrs X may feel that the NFL playing field is not an appropriate place for politics of any kind,I understand why Christians witness.... but I have run across so many non believing posters on these boards who really want to convert Christians to atheism/agnosticism. That I don't get.

I agree with this! Lots of celebrities seem to be pushing or selling things to us when they have the chance too, but why does it seem like the faith believers are the only ones who always get crucified for it?

In the interest of full disclosure , I am college educated, consider myself fairly intelligent, and I believe in "fairy tales."
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I agree with this! Why does it seem like when celebrities sell or push something on us, the only ones that get crucified all the time is the faith believers? I believe in a heaven after this place but just don't trust the people in charge of my religion at the moment. If there is no God, whatever faith it may be, then couple thousand years of wasted time on this planet? :dunno:
 
Problem with religion is how it's used to keep people in place, rile people into war, and generally mislead and conform the public to serve the goals of elites. We don't have to go far to see ongoing examples of this.
Seems to me Jesus was a noble man and if somebody want's to emulate him, and live their life according to his teachings, beliefs than that's great. Just be ware of the political contexts we live in.
 
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