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Having said that. I go to a church every Thursday. That's where my addictions recovery meeting is. I have probably been to more than a thousand such meeting since 1990 and the majority of them have been in churches. Some of the stuff I have seen in these meetings has been minor miracles. I have seen great things happen in churches. I have a lot of gratitude towards churches.

But I have no interest in their actual designed purpose.

Does it ever irriatae you when people open with "Hi my names "whateva' man" and I'm an addict. I'd like to thank Jesus Christ my lord and savior, blessed child of Mary, Master of the Universe and the one and only god whom without whose great strength and power I surely would not be here today."

Yeah, me either. That totally never wanted to make me punch someone in the face.

I kind of miss meetings sometimes. It's pretty rare that you find a community of people working so hard together to help each other get better. I was all in for four years but around that time the saying "once an addict, always an addict" started to bug me. I started feeling like a "sinner" that had to accept the presupposition so I could be redeemed....but never fully redeemed.

I just didn't want my life to be about the absence of drugs in the exact proportion that getting and using drugs was prior to cleaning up my act.

Maybe I never was an addict. I know, just what an addict would say right? Regardless, I use all those things I learned in my first 30 days almost daily and had I not sat my ass down consistently in church basements, things would have turned out very differently.

I've really got no point here, it's gamelive, we overshare here.

One time, when it was my turn to talk, I held up my finger to the table to hold on a minute and ducked my head into my coat. I stayed there for ten long seconds, came out and said, "Hi my name is Mrs. X. I'm a addict and I've been sober for about ten seconds now". I did it on a dare, totally deadpan. I think about half the people thought it was funny.
 
One time, when it was my turn to talk, I held up my finger to the table to hold on a minute and ducked my head into my coat. I stayed there for ten long seconds, came out and said, "Hi my name is Mrs. X. I'm a addict and I've been sober for about ten seconds now". I did it on a dare, totally deadpan. I think about half the people thought it was funny.

I woulda LOL'ed like a tard. :biglaugh:
 
Does it ever irriatae you when people open with "Hi my names "whateva' man" and I'm an addict. I'd like to thank Jesus Christ my lord and savior, blessed child of Mary, Master of the Universe and the one and only god whom without whose great strength and power I surely would not be here today."


That is a 12-step program thing. The meeting I go to is secular and no one ever does anything like that.

I did go to plenty of 12-step meetings in the 90's so I know exactly what you are talking about. When I first decided to clean up, I had sunk so low I was ready to try anything and 12-step meetings were the only game in town. So I accepted/tolerated that stuff - for a surprisingly long time.

I don't know how much I could put up with now. Don't even get me started on the cultish aspects of 12 step programs.

But it works for the people it works for.
 
Mr X I got by forced childhood church by the mints that my friends dad would give us intermittently. thoughout the sermon...but I would always think when I saliva'd up everyone could hear me swallow. So I would try not to saliva up.

But of course, that was inevitable. So when I swallowed the forced saliva, and it sounded so loud in my ears, I would swear everyone around me could hear it as well.

Eh...
 
It works if you work it, pal.

Secular non 12 step meeting?

Can you expand on this please?



My current meeting is Lifering. It is a fairly large organization with a website (unhooked.com I believe ???) and meetings internationally - although it's not nearly as big as AA/NA.

Secular means that, out of respect for people of all faiths and none, prayer and religion aren't used in the meeting.

Lifering is not a program. There is no specific path like the 12-steps. It is a place where you set your own goals and get support.

There are other secular organizations besides Lifering (Rational Recovery, SOS, SMART) but they are all spotty in terms of where you can find them. Lifering itself is quite spotty. For years, the closest meeting to here was Owen Sound. But anyway, there is now a Thursday meeting within biking distance of me so that's good.
 
Mr X I got by forced childhood church by the mints that my friends dad would give us intermittently. thoughout the sermon...but I would always think when I saliva'd up everyone could hear me swallow. So I would try not to saliva up.

But of course, that was inevitable. So when I swallowed the forced saliva, and it sounded so loud in my ears, I would swear everyone around me could hear it as well.

Eh...



Teela, they don't read long post round these parts.

Short version, Teela swallows.