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Matty posted the Alex Jones clip about Obama's response to the shooting, which looked genuine. I am pretty sure we are all aware those parents lost children. We'd all like to see these things stop happening, thus the discussion. McB I hear you loud and clear, but perhaps your animus is slightly misdirected.
 
Matty
omg obama's not crying for real he's maneuvering to take away our gunz!1111!1!!!!

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This guy is only concerned about globalists and the new world order after something like this? Sick. Its like Clinton said "Words we use really do matter, because there's this vast echo chamber and they go across space and they fall on the serious and the delirious alike. They fall on the connected and the unhinged alike"

I love that line about dissent, you really do have to make a distinction between real dissent and people just making the personal political by bringing their own personal paranoia or neurotic ideas into a political movement. I love that line about making a distinction between real dissent and wackos, "the serious and the delirious".
 
Archie
gosh Oxy is losing it

if she's not blabbering on about knives and slashing children

she's shoving chinese politics down our throats

and if she ain't do that, she's trying to make us picture skin melting off

and if she ain't doing that, she's including people in her demented sick plan to suffocate people in some large "bubble"

bubbles don't kill people, Oksana does
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true true
 
Saulty
Then I stand corrected. Michael Moore is right. It must be it's too easy to obtain a firearm in America whether is done legally or illegally.
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Yeah but ease of access isn't the issue as many countries have more access than the US. I do think Michael Moore is right in highlighting the issue but even he said he couldn't figure out why the f there was such a cultural disparity.

It's not video games and it's not rap or goth music or tv or movies. We all grew up on the same stuff. Most of our entertainment in Canada came from the US back then... probably still does. Something is inherently different between the two countries. Which is crazy considering they share the longest border in the world and the majority of Canadians are clustered close to the US border due to weather.

But then you look at that video freshy posted about the German school massacre and that leads me to believe something has happened in the generation after ours. But i have no clue wtf it is. The forensic psych in freshy's vid has his suggestions but man I don't know.
 
The argument that since I grew up playing violent video games etc... and didnt kill anybody implies that it's not video games doesn't hold alot of water.
Certainly everybody that does A isnt going to do B. That doesn't say they are not more likely to. In life as in gambling it's about probabilities. It is imo video games, access to guns, movies, isolation, maybe drugs, the direction our culture is headed. All those things.
 
reno cool
The argument that since I grew up playing violent video games etc... and didnt kill anybody implies that it's not video games doesn't hold alot of water.
Certainly everybody that does A isnt going to do B. That doesn't say they are not more likely to. In life as in gambling it's about probabilities. It is imo video games, access to guns, movies, isolation, maybe drugs, the direction our culture is headed. All those things.
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You're obv the mathy dude and I have no clue so how do you determine if and how much playing a violent video game increases our probabilities to do these things? What % does 2yrs of playing a violent game iand watching scary movies increase my chance of slaughtering kids vs 5yrs f the same for example?

The story's now coming out that the kid was pissed at his mother because he felt like she didn't pay him as much attention as he wanted so he killed her. Then he went and killed the people who he felt were stealing her attention away from him (the kiddies in her class). What if he was raised on a diet of Disney Movies? Then where?
 
Oksana
You're obv the mathy dude and I have no clue so how do you determine if and how much playing a violent video game increases our probabilities to do these things? What % does 2yrs of playing a violent game iand watching scary movies increase my chance of slaughtering kids vs 5yrs f the same for example?

The story's now coming out that the kid was pissed at his mother because he felt like she didn't pay him as much attention as he wanted so he killed her. Then he went and killed the people who he felt were stealing her attention away from him (the kiddies in her class). What if he was raised on a diet of Disney Movies? Then where?
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predicting things like that gets very complicated very fast. Perhaps you can do a controlled study. Or find out how many of these people did a b and c versus the general population. Of course your sample of mass murderers would be very small.

Then other issues. Perhaps a culture of violent movies, video games etc creates an environment where some feel more justified being violent even if they have no interest in movies or games themselves. It's complicated. If somebody wants to pay me 7 figures I'll work on it:grin:
 
Cougar Bait
Matty posted the Alex Jones clip about Obama's response to the shooting, which looked genuine. I am pretty sure we are all aware those parents lost children. We'd all like to see these things stop happening, thus the discussion. McB I hear you loud and clear, but perhaps your animus is slightly misdirected.
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I don't know what animus means, but I get your drift.
 
Saulty
Then I stand corrected. Michael Moore is right. It must be it's too easy to obtain a firearm in America whether is done legally or illegally.
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Yeah I never said anything about the fraud Michael Moore. However it is too easy to obtain a firearm. That much is certain. What is uncertain is how you fix that without taking the rights of the individual under our Constitution away. I don't know anything about this kid but my first guess is he was mentally unstable and they probably had him on one or more prescription medications. A normal person just doesn't do this.
 
reno cool
The argument that since I grew up playing violent video games etc... and didnt kill anybody implies that it's not video games doesn't hold alot of water.
Certainly everybody that does A isnt going to do B. That doesn't say they are not more likely to. In life as in gambling it's about probabilities. It is imo video games, access to guns, movies, isolation, maybe drugs, the direction our culture is headed. All those things.
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Exactly. It's the culture as a whole that has changed. And the media does bear some responsibility for that by sensationalizing it but remember that is mostly a reflection of what society wants. If they didn't tune in, it wouldn't be this way.
 
Television, video games, Marlyn Manson, long before any of these things existed there were bad people doing very bad things. Throughout history there have been serial killers, spree killers, terrorist and war lords who killed without mercy.

We try to make excuses as to why these things happen because we need answers, we have an inherent compulsion to rationalize but the truth is some people are just seriously wired wrong. Some of them are simply out of touch with reality and some of them are pure evil and regardless of what they are into, influenced by or any other factor it still comes down to the individual.
 
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