wow! how did I miss so much good posting? kind of gave up on this thread early. so proud of everybody, brings tear to my eye.
since I cant go back and quote every post,

: Blitty when you say Americans don't necessarily feel whatever the media exhibits. This is important to understand.

: Durito when you say, freedom from what? You're almost by definition least free if you have the largest % of people in prison. Also very true imo that immigrants come here for economic reasons or perhaps escaping war, persecution etc... This notion that people are drawn here for religious freedom or the right to vote(?) is largely empty.
Plommer, your posts in the thread make me feel like you have shit figured out pretty well

: But don't overestimate the significance of what comes out of US media. It is more reflective of how the corporate class wishes to see us.
good job everybody